“You are an Apostate I can not speak to you”
Jehovah’s Witnesses are known for having a very “your either for us or against us” approach to religion. If you leave and are happy, to them you are against them. They often quote certain scriptures to get away with ignoring you on the grounds of apostasy.
Since Jehovah’s Witnesses have a very tight knit social circle, one way they keep this “clean” is by their strict standards. One such standard is to not even speak to those who are claimed as Apostates. Many Witnesses will say something to the effect of, ”you are an apostate I can not speak to you:” This, is the kill all response to criticism. To them you are evil, and a enemy of them. The questions must be asked though, how do ones Biblically decide if someone is an apostate? Is ignoring apostates really biblical when claiming you are part of a group of
true Christians? Lets look at some scriptures Witnesses quote on “apostasy”.
Apostasy, what is it and what does the bible say?
For a broader more in depth discussion please go to the Wikipedia page on the subject HERE. In short, for Christians it was a term adopted to explain those spoken of in the scriptures that would usurp true Christianity. A broader definition states it is simply leaving one's cause. Many times though, those that do leave a cause often have differing opinions. For example if someone believes in Democratic values they may have a falling out over an issue and join the Republican Party. Many would feel they are now directly opposed to their original values. The same thing often happens in religion.
There are three scriptures often used, Hebrews 3:12, 2 Peter 2:15-22, and 1 John 2:18,19 (please see the bottom of this blog for full text of scripture). Lets take a closer look at each scripture.
At Hebrews 3:12 we see Paul gives a good exhortation not to turn away your belief in God. In verse 14 Paul elaborates not to give up on Christ. We also see in the early verses the thrust of what Paul is speaking of is about Christ, even comparing him to Moses. He then shows how those who turned against Moses could not enter the promise land. In context we see that Paul is speaking about those rejecting Christ.
What of 2 Peter 2:15-22, we see here Peter pointing to those who “turn their back”(vs.21) on Jesus. In verse 1, Peter speaks of those “denying the sovereign lord”. Again it points towards rejection of Christ and not rejection of a certain religion or organizational membership.
What of 1 John 2:18 and 19? This one is even clearer; here John speaks of Antichrist. Who is the Antichrist? Well John gives us a clear definition in verse 22 and 23. He says it is anyone “denying” Christ.
From this we can see a clear theme, those who are truly apostate would be anyone accepting Jesus as savior then denying him and believing in someone else as savior. It clearly would entail more then just rejection of a religion, you would have to reject Christ, this is the only biblical basis for being a “anti-Christ” or apostate. Certainly you can not have carte blanche with sin and hate, but someone coming to your door can not know if you are living in sin, they can only judge you on how you react to them. If you merely left their ranks they have no right to call you an apostate based on biblical interpretation.
Does a true Christian have the right to ignore those no longer part of their organization?
When a Witness finds someone at the door who was a former Witness, often times a discussion will ensue. The Witness will usually say something along the lines of, “I am not here to debate”. Is this the right attitude to have? In my opinion this is a tricky subject. On one level or another I agree with the average witness, why waste time when neither of you will agree on something? On the other hand if you go to a door claiming to be a true Christian shouldn’t you follow the example of the Apostles and most of all that of Christ? What reasons are given for not “speaking” to those who are no longer Witnesses? Lets look at some Scriptures (all from New International Version):
Matthew 7:6- "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.”
This is often given as a reason not to debate or “argue” with someone for an extended period of time. It’s obvious what this scripture is saying. Swine or pigs would have no need for a pearl and it would be a waste of something valuable to allow them to own it. Much like giving gold to a dog or a house to your cat. JW’s and even some Christians will claim that to “debate” would be giving “pearls” or their knowledge to “swine” you or me. What is the underlying principle here though? Notice the operative word in verse six is “throw”. If you “throw” your pearls to a pig, do they have any choice in the matter? Of, course not. This would be like trying to force someone to accept your ideals. Just throwing out your principles to someone and not allowing any discussion or choice. There is a difference between debate and force. Often former members are more then happy to debate and discuss things logically with active Witnesses.
Webster’s defines debate as “a contention by words or arguments: as a: the formal discussion of a motion before a deliberative body according to the rules of parliamentary procedure b: a regulated discussion of a proposition between two matched sides”. Here we see a debate would be between two matched sides. This is hardly throwing a pearl to a swine. When debating the person can accept the pearl then deduct rather or not it truly is a pearl. So from this scripture we can see that it has no relevance to the situation.
What example did Jesus set for his followers when it came to speaking to “apostates” or enemies? Well let’s look at a few scriptures:
Matthew 4: 1-11- Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread." Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God." Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written:
"’He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’"
Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test."
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only." Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.
Here we see Jesus speaking to the worst of the worst The Devil. He is the ultimate apostate. No doubt Jesus knew the devil was merely there to trick him. Did Jesus take the approach though that he would not even speak to the devil? No he did not. He answered his questions
then informed him to leave. Let’s keep in mind Jesus was also perfect. He could read hearts and therefore had a definite advantage over humans. He did however allow the Devil to speak with him, and answered every question he had. What then are humans to do? How do we know if someone is trying to trick us? We don’t. Jesus though showed us how to deal with such situations. Again lets turn to a few scriptures:
Matthew 5:43,45- "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
Matthew 18: 21,22- Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.”
Luke 6:34-36-“And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.”
Most interesting here is the passage in Luke. Notice Jesus says to go beyond what you would for a friend. Who would be our enemy? Would it not be someone who is “out to get us”, or who wants to hurt us in some way? Enemy is a strong word, in my opinion Jesus used this here because the Jews at the time were a people known for having God’s approval and power to go as far as killing their enemies. Yet Jesus was now saying to treat your enemy better then you would your friend! How then could you, when trying to follow Jesus example refuse to talk to anyone? You couldn’t plain and simple. As a follower of Christ you must assume the best and always work to help.
So as a true Christian you should not ignore or harp judgment upon those whom you believe to be “apostate”.
Let’s get back to debating though. Should Christians engage in debate? Many Jehovah’s Witnesses would probably say “no”. They would feel it is useless. What example did the Apostles show though? I will be short, as this blog is getting overly long. Lets look at a few scriptures though.
- Acts 9:29,30- He talked and debated with the Grecian Jews, but they tried to kill him. When the brothers learned of this, they took him down to Caesarea and sent him off to Tarsus
- Acts 18:28-For he vigorously refuted the Jews in public debate, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ.
Here we see that Paul
debated. Debated is also the word used in the New World Translation. In Acts it says that Paul stayed in the synagogues for days (Acts 17:12) that it was even his custom to do such a thing! So we can see that
to debate is perfectly acceptable for anyone claiming to be Christian.
Conclusion
In conclusion I obviously do not agree with the Witnesses basis of not speaking to so called "apostates". Hopefully this helps anyone who is confused or looking for some answers on this subject.
Full verses of Scriptures used:
(NIV)
Hebrews 3:12-See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.
2 Peter 2: 15-22-They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Beor, who loved the wages of wickedness. But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—a beast without speech—who spoke with a man's voice and restrained the prophet's madness.
These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit, and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."
1 John 2:18-19-Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
Acts 17:12-
As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,